December 21, 2003

Passive Surveillance with OnStar

Ok, well now that its in the news I can finally talk about this. Some people might remember about my talk a couple years ago on hijacking the original OnStar signal and be able to extract information about a motor vehicle, including complete vehicle diagnostics and the ability to unlock/disarm a vehicle. People freaked when I showed the data flowchart for the ignition kill routines. (Imagine driving on the highway and a hacker turning off you car. Not a pretty sight)

Most of this was fixed when GM launched the next version of it, which actually made SOME efforts to fix the lax security in the communication protocol. However, the one thing I didn't talk about much was the fact that deep within the OnStar system is a cell signal which OnStar can control... passively.

In other words, it is possible for OnStar to listen in on you covertly and without your knowledge at all... or a way to turn it off at will. Of course the FBI learned of this... and decided that this would make the best surveillance wiretap. And now that its out in public, I am informing you. Don't drive a car with OnStar if you are worried about being monitored by big brother.

Kinda makes me thankful I don't drive a GM.

Posted by SilverStr at December 21, 2003 07:48 AM | TrackBack
Comments

On Star sucks. I had it (the emergency plan) and didn't have to use it until my SUV had about 65,000 miles on it (so it was out of warranty.) I hit the On Star button, and it connects. I tell them that I need a tow truck. They proceed to tell me that the towing service is provided by your GM warranty, and since I'm out of warranty, I will have to pay. So I ask them what I'm paying hundreds of dollars a year for, and they say its for the convienience of not having to know where I'm at when I call a tow truck. Their GPS can pin point my location for them. Of course I had pulled off the road into a Mc Donalds parking lot, so I had a street address, and a cross road to tell them. I canceled the very next day.

Posted by: Rick Lobrecht at December 23, 2003 07:05 AM

welcome to america! read the terms of service aggreement, technically you waive your right to complain about onstar if you do not recognize general motors, the queen, and the right of canada, to be unharmful. technically onstar doesnt have to provide you service that it is not able to for any reason. youre warranty expiring is a pretty good reason. also onstar does not providetows, only the dispatch to aquire themfor you and send them to your location. maybe you arent going to be at mcdonalds when your overridden chev craps the bed. immagine being in traffic on the expressway, youre going to need more than a tow.
you don't have to pay for the service, you can just quit and ask not to be contacted by onstar.
although, legally they have the right to call you and mail you, and e-mail you, and even charge your credit card with out your immediate knowlage dispite requests to not do so.

but youll find the same disclamers in any corperate product.

youre a high level consumer. the stuff you want in life comes with strings attached and hidden costs.

and right now youre mad that a new $40000 car with all the options is gonna cost you for upkeep after the warranty expires, hellooooo!

forgetting the fact that just having onstar pays for itself out of your car insurance if you shop around for the right provider.

but are you such a high level buyer that you're savvy enough to balance the numerous luxuries you consume so that they actually improve your quality of living? or are you content to assume they are simply incapable of doing so.

you know how to disable onstar? I do. i can disable it so that it will not work at all it will cease to function with the twist of a wrench under the hood. you could have it for weeks and not realize it isnt working and one day i could drive away with your car and legally its not onstars fault that the system couldnt find your car. but youre car theft insurance, if you have any, will still be lower.

but can you pay the thousands in the deductable?

you may also soon find that the courts are not legally responsible for failing to bring you justice. nor are the police.

but you still pay for them. you just dont complain about it because its not something youre willing to cancel.

so i suggest instead of cancelling services in spite, cancel them because you dont need them, get back to basics, theres cheaper and better cars out there. with less strings attached.
i got a geo metro. same company makes it, takes half the gasif you keep it checked, needs very little service, got it second hand and after 8 years its half new or refurbished parts, they are dirt cheap, i can install many of them myself (and im no mechanic) and i can get refunds on all parts returned to gm, warrantee or not, offsetting new parts.


the smart people invest in assets. youre investing in liabilities, need proof?

how many terms-of-service contracts
have you skimmed over?

if you can find some of them i suggest you read them instead of skiming over them saying "blah blah blah" because they are invented to aquire you , in a legally binding way, as a registered, powerless, and obediant accessory to the items and services you possess.
you dont have the power to "cancel onstar" its still in your car and youre under contract as its owner to accept its presence .

oh yes, and your car wouldnt work with onstar anyway after 2008, the system is switching to digital and all cars made prior to that date will be rendered obsolete, you see, onstar was planning on quitting you one day anyway. under the terms of service, it's not their fault. its yours.

now, if i were the type to come to gradual realizations, i would tell you i think you should consider the quality of the quantum single scource of benefit receivership of the spending in your life. and then id say something confusing, vague, and a little creepy.

like maybe youre selling your soul and blaming the devil.

oooooh.

be safe

Posted by: bill at October 8, 2004 08:28 PM